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Scott Adams on lying leaders
I actually think they were trying to do the right thing as they saw it. And if they weren't smart enough, the voters have to be blamed for that. Our politicians didn't get any dumber after being elected. We knew what we were getting.

http://dilbert.com/blog/entry/57

Wow, you'd think he was actually talking about someone else that some of us know.
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fabunobo From: fabunobo Date: June 12th, 2008 03:36 pm (UTC) (Link)
I always much enjoy his blog.
jccohen From: jccohen Date: June 12th, 2008 03:50 pm (UTC) (Link)
Perhaps.

I don't really believe "the other guy" has has ever proven to be a smart person, nor that he's endeavoring at all to get it right, but to get it his way, which is different.

And I absolutely blame the electorate for choosing poorly.
From: dblaser_ca Date: June 12th, 2008 03:52 pm (UTC) (Link)
Y'know, there are definitely times where I would like to sit down and discuss some of these political matters with you and get your viewpoint on a number of things.

In the same manner, there are definitely times I would like to sit down with others who I'm not in "favour" with and get their viewpoints on a number of things without the "you're an enemy if you don't see it my way" attitude that occasionally comes around with it.

The problem with me wanting to do that, though, seems to be one of getting 5 minutes into such discussions and having to watch while the dialogue mires down into entrenchment and not being able to either find some degree of common ground or without someone taking it so personally that they get upset or offended in some manner that they end up adopting that "you're an enemy" attitude.

It's this mutual entrenchment which has very strongly put me off of what's going on and why I have so little desire to have these kinds of discussions anymore.

Not bitching, not complaining, just saying.
glithander From: glithander Date: June 12th, 2008 04:41 pm (UTC) (Link)
Dave, I couldn't agree more. It's this 'We're right, therefore you are, and always will be, wrong' that is getting to me.

Whether it's Sal vs the Anti-Sal's, or Democrat vs Republican, or Liberal vs Conservative. Things are so polarized, that it seems people can't just sit and say, 'You know, you make some good points that I can agree with there...' without feeling like they're abandoning their entire position and surrendering the debate.

Anyway. Yeah.
jccohen From: jccohen Date: June 12th, 2008 05:02 pm (UTC) (Link)
I disagree about your thoughts on polarization. Therefore, its obvious we disagree on everything!
From: (Anonymous) Date: June 12th, 2008 06:53 pm (UTC) (Link)
(Interjecting a small bit of Canadian politics into what is very obviously a whole other political discussion..)

It likewise makes me laugh when my very Liberal friends say things like "Stephen Harper scares me."

I end up looking at them and saying something like "And his Federal government is different from any other Federal government in what manner? He and his political allies haven't changed things enough to make our live any better than it was before, they haven't come through on their promises to help us keep some of our hard earned dollars in our wallets. So how exactly is he any different than the Liberal that you would have voted for?"

'Fleet politics has become just as bad as all of that. There's so little chance to see people to meet somewhere in the half-way anymore. It's too bad, we have some good people who can do some pretty good things if they'd just stop digging themselves in and refusing to try and go part of the way.
From: dblaser_ca Date: June 12th, 2008 06:54 pm (UTC) (Link)
Err... sorry, that was me. Don't know how I got logged out.
kirylyn From: kirylyn Date: June 12th, 2008 08:59 pm (UTC) (Link)
I confess that I have to work VERYVERYVERY hard to overcome the mindset the the current resident of the White House flat out STOLE the election both times.

so, for me, that's a MAJOR obstacle to overcome.

fleetwise? I don't *believe* Sal rigged the election but as someone who barely got her ballot in time to turn around and send it back, *and* knowing sal's past performance history, I'm not as inclined to give the benefit of the doubt.

for that matter, what *has* the current CS done *right* by fleet since he took office?
mhaithaca From: mhaithaca Date: June 12th, 2008 09:23 pm (UTC) (Link)

Oh, I'm sure Sal didn't steal or rig the election. Despite the problems we had last year with the guy responsible for it being a fair election, I'm very confident it was. He wasn't dishonest or malicious, just uncommunicative and disorganized.
From: dblaser_ca Date: June 13th, 2008 12:08 am (UTC) (Link)
*snort*

Uncommunicative and disorganized. May I nominate this for the "STARFLEET Understatement of the Year" award?

I really must ask Liz if there is such a category...
allyson13 From: allyson13 Date: June 15th, 2008 11:56 pm (UTC) (Link)
After she hits you over the head with her computer, do let us know what she says, Dave. :)
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