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Small victories… (209.2)
It's a small thing, but I'm pleased this morning that the new round of proofs for the Dining units shows the designers listened when I told them "café latte" was wrong, and it's "caffè latte" or "café au lait."

Meantime, I think we're sending mixed messages by opening the first new pub on campus in thirty years, with the clear intent to sell alcohol to students, while also wagging our fingers and telling them to stop drinking so much.
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fabunobo From: fabunobo Date: August 3rd, 2012 06:48 pm (UTC) (Link)
Weird? I thought latte was it's own stand alone word without the coffee part.
mhaithaca From: mhaithaca Date: August 3rd, 2012 07:23 pm (UTC) (Link)

It is. It's just the Italian word for "milk." But someone walking into Starbucks and ordering "a latte" is using the shorthand for the Italian phrase "caffè latte," which really just means "coffee with milk." If you don't know where the words came from, it's easy to think the first word is the more-familiar French word "café," but it's not!
fabunobo From: fabunobo Date: August 3rd, 2012 07:31 pm (UTC) (Link)
I know where latte comes from. I just thought that when you said, "I'll have a Venti Skim Latte" you were instructing the barrista that you wanted "steamed foamy Italian style milk" coffee. Similar to how one would say, "I'll have a decaff."
mhaithaca From: mhaithaca Date: August 3rd, 2012 08:17 pm (UTC) (Link)

Oh, sure, it's definitely become part of the coffee shorthand lingo, but on a menu you want the actual names of things.
fabunobo From: fabunobo Date: August 3rd, 2012 08:20 pm (UTC) (Link)
True. "Pig" vs. "Pigs Feet."
blaisepascal From: blaisepascal Date: August 3rd, 2012 07:20 pm (UTC) (Link)

On the importance of accents.

It was only recently that I learned that a frappe and a frappé are two very different beverages. I've had the former, but not the latter.
acappellasinger From: acappellasinger Date: August 3rd, 2012 11:02 pm (UTC) (Link)
I've seen pubs on campuses work really well, and I've seen them work really poorly. It mostly comes down to intent and follow-through. I'm unconvinced about the intent here, and given past history I'm not expecting solid follow-through. The couple of events that they had last semester worked reasonably well in some ways and taught the folks in charge some important lessons regarding what didn't work. I'd like to believe that those lessons will carry over to future events, but I've got serious doubts. It's likely to be an interesting year.
chesther From: chesther Date: August 4th, 2012 11:48 am (UTC) (Link)
I think it's impossible for the University to have a completely rational alcohol policy when the legal rules aren't rational to begin with. Having the student population split between legal and not-legal drinkers makes it difficult to come up with a coherent message that includes responsible drinking.

Opening a pub encourages open, social, and monitored (by the bartender, one hopes) drinking for those who can legally do so. So that's good. But it also implicitly endorses drinking in general, so yes, it's in conflict with the message to underage students that they shouldn't drink.
dansr From: dansr Date: August 8th, 2012 04:09 am (UTC) (Link)
That's brilliant that they listened. So often that doesn't happen.
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